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While researching I found (one of many great posts) a post by Alan Shank stating that they only had card craps in CA but it was good enough. I wish that I felt that way about Oklahoma's card craps. Here's the deal;
For every come out roll, you have to pay a $1 ante - it's supposed to go to education or something in the state. That's EVERY come out roll - if a point gets established, you carry on with the hand - on a 7 or 11 winner, you get your winnings but have to put up another $1 ante to keep your pass line bet out there - on a 2, 3, or 12, you lose your bet and have to pony up another $1 to place another pass line bet.
So, as you can see, this pretty much amounts to - on a $5 pass line bet - a 20% vig no mater what. I get that increasing my pass line bet would decrease the vig % but that's not in the cards for my bankroll.
I've also read the admonishments against making a pass line bet after a point is already established & I understand why. Could it be, in the case of being charged a $1 ante for each & every come out roll, that this would be a situation where I would want to sit out the come out rolls and only place a pass line bet (with odds) AFTER the point is established? There would still be a $1 ante - but, I would have avoided all of the vigs for the naturals & craps.
My strategy is basically $5 pass line with 2x odds & after the point is established placing one unit on inside numbers - pulling the first win on each number then pressing one unit thereafter.
Bigger mathematical minds than me would know for sure - Does this hold water?
Thanks,
Tom O.
I like the thought of sticking with the pass line since it will keep me rooting with the rest of the table - a big part of why I play craps - the crazy community it creates!
Pass line bet is not required but, you'll still have to put a $1 ante for your first come bet (or place bet, etc.) - basically, any time you jump into a hand, you're on the hook for the ante.
I like the thought of sticking with the pass line since it will keep me rooting with the rest of the table - a big part of why I play craps - the crazy community it creates!
If you don't want to increase your bet and you insist on making a PL bet, with all due respect, I don't know what you think anyone can do for you. Is there an ante on, 'Center Action,' bets? If there is no ante on those, then they are all going to have a lower House Edge than paying that $1 vig if $5 is going to be your Max PL bet. Even the horrendous Any Seven (which you should still not make!) would be better than a PL under the conditions you state.
If you want to go with the lowest Expected Loss on a per roll basis, then I would suggest sticking to the Hardways and not worrying about any single-roll resolutions like Hop Bets, Yos and Crap Checks. Just sit there and cover the Hardways, go with a PL if shooting is worth a buck to you. How much do you take in Odds?
I know that sticking with the pass line bet may not be the best move possible but, that is a big part of the entertainment value for me - that's why I play - for the sheer fun of it.
My original question still stands - Overall, does it help or hurt to sit out the come out rolls until a point is established? I think it helps - just need to find time to do the math to confirm.
Thanks for taking an interest!
My original question still stands - Overall, does it help or hurt to sit out the come out rolls until a point is established? I think it helps - just need to find time to do the math to confirm.
Thanks for taking an interest!
Okay, I think I misunderstood what you were wanting to know in the OP.
The bet that you are referring to is a Put Bet, and they have certain House Edges:
33.33% on the 4 & 10, which means you lose $1.6665 on a $5 bet, plus the $1 vig, so $2.6665.
20.00% on the 5 & 9, so $1.00 on a $5 bet, plus the $1 vig, so $2.00.
9.09% on the 6 & 8, so $0.4545 on a $5 bet, plus the $1 vig, so $1.4545.
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Now, you're automatically losing $1 on the Come Out roll plus (5*.0141), for a total of $1.0705.
It goes without saying that doing your Pass Line bet is the better bet on a per bet basis, however, if you are looking for longevity, then you are going to lose the $1 per bet resolved ON THE ACTUAL COME OUT ROLL 12/36 times.
Okay, so on those other 24/36 times, you will establish a Four or Ten 6/24, Five or Nine 8/24 and Six or Eight 10/24:
(6/36 * 2.6665) + (8/36* 2) + (10/36 * 1.4545) = 1.29288888889
Therefore, you are still losing $1.29 per Come Out Roll betting this way. However, if you do not PUT BET the 4 & 10:
(8/36* 2) + (10/36 * 1.4545) = 0.84847222222
Then, you are (Only?) losing $0.85 per Come Out Roll, which is an improvement. If you only PUT BET the 6 & 8:
(10/36 * 1.4545) = 0.40402777777
Then, you are losing $0.40 per Come Out Roll, so that is your best option, but you won't be in action nearly as often.
The house pays the ante during a 'happy hour', usually in the afternoon on weekdays.
The ante is waived (paid by the house) on bets over some amount (usually $20)
The ante is waived (paid by the house) if you play using a players club card
About 1/3 of the casinos in the state just pay the ante for the player by default. I don't remember any of those having craps, though...
Actually comma can you just wait for a point of a six or an eight and then do a $6 place bet on the opposite and pay the dollar bill?
Are you dictating your posts, like thru Siri or something?That would make 'actually comma' make sense ;-)
Was the OP named 'comma', now I gotta go back and look...?
@rdw4potus - Unfortunately, I normally play at Winstar & those in charge of the finances there, only dogs can hear them when they fart - very convenient for me but very player unfriendly.
Oklahoma is just 45 minutes of where I sit in my home office as I write this post. Just over the Texas border, with Oklahoma is the world’s largest casino, WinStar.
WinStar is probably the most well-known casino in Oklahoma, which is itself a newcomer to the American casino scene.
But it’s not a a gambling destination to overlook when you’re planning your next casino vacation.
The History of Gambling in Oklahoma
Gambling in Oklahoma has a recent history.
The Sooner State made horse racing legal in 1982. Compared to Nevada, Oklahoma was late to the gambling party. Nevada legalized gambling in 1949.
Oklahoma would wait another 10 years before making it legal to play bingo for money. If your grandma won money playing bingo before 1992 in OK, it was probably under the table.
In 2003, Oklahoma would legalize the lottery. This was in keeping with a nationwide trend of setting up state-run lotteries. People were driving across state lines to play the lottery.
Oklahoma saw this as a lost revenue opportunity and created their own lottery commission. Now, instead of their residents traveling to Texas to buy tickets, they could spend their lottery dollars in their home state.
Here’s a side note:
Casinos became legal the same year that lotteries became legal. 2004 was a big year for the Sooner State. There are quite a few requirements for casinos in Oklahoma. I will get into that shortly. All casinos in Oklahoma are required to be located and operated by native tribes.
Laws Surrounding Casinos in Oklahoma
Here are the basic gambling/ casino rules for the state of Oklahoma:
What Is the Legal Gambling Age in Oklahoma?
18-21. The age range depends on the casino. Make sure to check the age requirements before visiting any Oklahoma casino.
Can Anyone Open a Casino?
No. The state mandated that the casinos in Oklahoma must be located on native lands and run by native tribes. This mandate is spelled out that native tribes have an exclusivity agreement with the state and pay 4-10% tax for this agreement.
Native tribes were the primary operators of horse tracks and most of the state’s bingo halls. Once the state legalized casinos, the native tribe racetracks and bingo halls converted to casinos.
Pay close attention to this story as it unfolds. This could be a huge shift in native lands casinos in this country. Oklahoma Governor Stitt has filed a lawsuit to halt operation of native casinos in his state.
Is There Anything Else I Need to Know About Oklahoma Gambling Laws?
Yes, there are a few quirks to Oklahoma’s gambling laws.
The first quirky law every casino has in common – there are ante requirements for all casino games. The ante varies depending on the game. Blackjack tables have a 50-cent ante, and craps and roulette tables have a $1.00 ante. It’s weird, but it’s also part of playing table games in the state.
Best Three Casinos to Visit in Oklahoma
This is my list of my favorite casinos and casino resorts to visit in the Sooner State. They are in no particular order. Some of the casinos you’ve heard of and some of the casinos are off the beaten path.
WinStar – Thackerville, OK
Let’s get this one off the table. WinStar is Oklahoma’s, America’s, and the World’s largest casino. WInStar is owned and operated by the Chickasaw Nation.
This truly mega casino opened its doors as the WinStar Casino the same year that Oklahoma legalized gambling in casinos. 2004 was a game changer for the native tribe gambling establishments.
WinStar renamed itself as the WinStar Word Casino and Resort in 2013. This same year it beat out Foxwoods Casino, a native lands casino in CT, as the largest casino in the world.
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WInStar boasts 370,00 square feet with a poker room made up of 55 tables, over 8,500 gaming machines, over 100 gambling tables, keno, and a high roller suite.
If you’re looking for entertainment options, WInStar is home to the Global Events Center, a concert venue that has over 3,500 seats. Famous acts make tour stops on a regular basis.
I was able to see one of my favorite TV actors, Jerry Seinfeld, do his standup act there in the summer of 2019.
If you’re a foodie like my husband and I, you’ll be looking for dining options. WinStar World Casino and Resort offers options for all tastes and budget options.
Wanting a classic steak house experience?
Check.
Want a quick bite to soak up last night’s revelries before hitting the casino floor?
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Check.
Your kid only eats spaghetti?
They’ve got Italian food too.
Don’t forget that WinStar also had its own PGA designed golf course. If you’re a fan of the Netflix hit documentary, Tiger King, it’s just a short drive to visit Joe Exotic’s former zoo.
WinStar is unique in its size and location. It’s just over an hour drive from the Dalls-Fort Worth Metroplex, one of the largest cities in America. This also makes traveling to the mega casino resort a breeze.
If you’re new to gambling in Oklahoma casinos, then WInStar World Casino and Resort is a great place to start.
Don’t get lost, though.
My son’s college roommate was there for a bachelor party and was lost for four hours. With a dead phone. And a little tipsy.
You’ve been warned.
Choctaw Casino and Resort – Durant, OK
Choctaw Casino and Resort in Durant, OK is the flagship location of the Choctaw Nation’s chain of casinos and resorts. The Durant location is located on 50 acres belonging to the Choctaw Nation.
As required by Oklahoma gaming laws, Choctaw properties are managed and owned by the tribal nation. The profits go to improvement projects for the native nation.
The Durant casino and resort has a 218,884 sq. Foot casino floor. You can play one of the over 4,800 gaming machines, place a bet (with an ante of course) at any of the over 80 table games. Choctaw Durant also offers a horse racing sportsbook.
There are a variety of dining and entertainment options. The resort features multiple pools with cabanas that can be reserved.
Are you thinking of making it a family trip?
The resort offers bowling, shopping, a movie theater, and an arcade.
The Choctaw Casino and Resort is a great option for families that are looking for a a family getaway with adult gambling and entertainment options.
Just like WinStar, Choctaw Durant is only a 1.5-hour drive from DFW airport.
Artesian Hotel Casino – Sulphur, OK
The high-end experience at Artesian Hotel Casino is a fantastic option for an adult-only weekend getaway. Located in Sulphur, OK, the casino and hotel is owned and operated by the Chickasaw Nation as per Oklahoma gaming laws.
The Artesian is much smaller than the other two casinos resorts on my list. The boutique hotel and casino opened April 2013. The casino floor is 15,000 square feet of gaming featuring high roller rooms, baccarat, blackjack, and poker.
Artesian Hotel Casino is an excellent romantic weekend getaway option. You can book a spa day, like my husband did for our 25th wedding anniversary, at their award-winning spa, the SOLE’SERNITY.
Their dining options are reminiscent of country club offerings with a flushed-out wine list. The three dining establishment offer everything from a gourmet eggs benedict to a house-aged rib eye. My personal favorite drink offering is the Tennessee Fir Mule at the Fountain Club.
The hotel rooms are splendid with décor. The rooms range in size and amenities. They remind me of a less loud version of the W Chicago.
Much like the other two casino resorts on this list, this hotel and casino is a short drive from DFW airport, clocking in at about 2 hours. For me, a spa and gambling getaway is worth the slightly longer drive.
Conclusion
I hope you have better grasp of the casino offering from Oklahoma’s diverse gaming industry. This is just the tip of the iceberg of what Oklahoma’s gambling landscape has to offer.
There are 60 casinos in Oklahoma. All of them are owned and managed by native tribes. The fact that the tribes redistribute the profits to improvements within their communities is a feel-good win for me as well.
I would love to hear your feedback and questions. Leave a comment below.